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    July 17, 2008


    Brad Gross

    Couldn't agree more! We have to spend time where we're at and take advantage of opportunities to build momentum! We're going through that at my church right now; we're spending time communicating and training our leaders to train those around them creating this tidle wave of influence that has in turn created a TSUNAMI of change and like-mindedness giving our church the chance to go forward together and really setting the stage for the future of what God has for us!

    Johnny Leckie

    Talking with my wife about our church plant, I said this the other day:

    "I've got the big picture down - Now I've got to get a good handle on the small picture."

    I'm learning that in applying even wise principles from other leaders and books, I have to be careful not to abandon common sense in the process...

    Good insights, Scott!

    Jonathan Brink

    Scott, is it easier to lead a church of 500 or 5,000 or disciple a group of 12 in your opinion?

    John Jackson

    Hey Scott...great stuff--totally right on. I've got a book coming out in late fall called, "God-Sizing Your Church" where I talk about health AND growth (since some seem to think they are mutually exclusive). Give me your mailing address and I'll make sure you get a copy...

    I trust that all is well....go for it!

    Earl Rutledge

    Awesome thoughts that really confirm some ideas I posted a few days ago about Generals and Fathers. They might also tie into your thought.

    There are other times when instead of needing visionaries/generals, we need pastors/fathers. For example, we are going through a leadership change as I as missionary/founder move on to a new city and a new church plant. At least for the next months there is need for more pastoral emphesis instead of visionary, although the visionary must rise in the near future.

    Great thoughts. Forward!

    Bob Franquiz


    Awesome stuff!

    So true!

    rick womack

    you touch on not allowing leadership to get in the way of leading staff and leaders, i would add that pastors also need to be aware that the "pastoral" role of a leader in smaller and earlier stages can't be dismissed. i agree that structures and systems can be in place for double your size, unfortunately, i've seen pastors leave behind their church because they abdicated their role as pastor

    Roland Thomas Gilbert

    I agree completely. I just made the jump from being Communications Director at a "small" church of 700 to one of two an Art Directors (Associate Director of Communications) at a much larger and older church of 3,000.

    The difference in leadership capacity that has allowed my current church to grow and maintain strength is vastly ... uhm ... "different" ... than my old church. :o)

    Dale Schaeffer

    Great post. Very timely. This is the third time this week God has spoken to me about getting too far ahead of our people. We're growing pretty quickly and I want to capitalize on it, but I don't want to be so focused on the vision that I miss out on the journey with our people.

    Know any good planters/pastors in the area who have grown from 300-500, that would be to network with about church size strategies?

    Rich Butler post I have read in a long time. To hear this from a guy who is leading a growing church is humbling.

    I certainly appreciated the line, " But there were seasons when we were smaller that what our church needed was not “Scott the visionary leader”, but “Scott the pastor.”

    Thanks for your heart and leadership!

    Paul Kuzma

    Incredible insights here Scott! I am currently leading a church of 200 (church is 59 years old) through a facility expansion.

    We're going from a small sanctuary to a smaller one during construction. Before going to the smaller one, we are spending the Summer in ONE service (we've had 2-3 for many years) in an effort to leverage community before we go to a smaller room that will force 2-3 services for 6 months.

    I felt your post speak straight from my own heart.

    John Finkelde

    Great thoughts Scott

    As a church grows I think a pastors role moves from ministry focus to leadership focus.

    Ministry is different to leadership.

    A church <200 needs a pastor doing lots of ministry (preaching, connecting, assimilating) but a church growing thru 500 needs a pastor doing leadership(facilitating ministry thru others)

    A mate of mine describes the 75-200 zone as the Sanguine zone requiring a promotion, vibrancy, up beat style. The 200-500 zone requires a more Choleric approach - strategic, focussed. Then 500+ requires Melancholic leadership - contemplative, reflective, atmos focussed.

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